The Dream Journal
The Dream Journal
Innerwork with Victoria Saunders, PhD

(Fixed!) Why is inner work so important and yet so difficult? We speak today with Vicki Saunders of the Innerwork Center of Richmond VA. Vicki starts by saying that we all have unique contributions to make to the world and self-awareness will help us get what we want and to find more meaning in life. We talk about Jung’s concept of the stages of life, the tension of the opposites, shadow work and how to recognize emotional complexes. According to Vicki’s mentor, James Hollis, the biggest blocks to inner work are fear and lethargy. Vicki shares a dream that she had 15 years ago that left a big impression on her.

We take a call from Rachel Douglas who is the executive director of the Innerwork Center. She calls from Richmond CA asking for ideas about how to access our authentic self more deeply.

Viciki Saunders hosts on ongoing zoom class at the IWC called Mondays with Jung. The IWC will host a keynote lecture by James Baraz on Thursday January 26 called “Finding Joy in Tough Times.” Register for either event at their webpage.

BIO: Victoria B. Saunders, Ph.D., has worked for the past 30 years as a professional facilitator, specializing in strategic planning, leadership training and personal development. She has a Masters Degree in Jungian Studies from the Jung Institute in Houston and also a PhD from Saybrook and another Masters degree from George Washington University. Vicki has worked with the Innerwork Center in Richmond, VA for the last 25 years. She has facilitated strategic planning sessions, book groups and workshops dealing with consciousness, creativity, and Jungian psychology. Vicki currently serves on the Innerwork Center Faculty, Executive Committee and Board, where she chairs the Program Committee.

Find our guest at:

Facebook: @InnerworkCenter

Instagram: @theInnerworkCenter

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Today’s ambient music is created by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show, to Tony Russomano for answering the phones and to Ewa Malady for audio editing.

Show aired on a very rainy January 14, 2023 as broadcast from my powerless home on my cell phone.


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