Episode 78: More men than ever are stepping into therapy—challenging outdated stigmas and discovering strength in vulnerability. In this remixed episode, we revisit our original conversation about men’s experiences in therapy, and add a powerful new “In Your Voice” segment from Daniel, who reflects on how therapy supported his journey from adolescence into adulthood.
Guest Host Lisa Herendeen, LMFT guides the conversation with guests Joey Fino and Mark Vanderhoof. Outdoorsman Joey once believed therapy wasn’t for him—until a serious health crisis shifted his perspective. Mark shares how couples therapy helped repair his marriage and opened the door to greater emotional awareness. Rounding out the conversation is psychotherapist Tim Hartnett, PhD, who explores how traditional masculinity norms shape men’s emotional development—and how therapy can help foster deeper relationships and a more fulfilling life.
Join us for a rich and honest conversation about what it means for men to seek support and embrace the healing process.
Broadcasts: 5/4/25 & 5/12/25
Producer: Debra Sloss, LMFT
Guest Host: Lisa Herendeen, LMFT
Guests: Joey Fino, Mark Vanderhoof & Tim Hartnett, PhD
Broadcasts; 5/4/25 & 5/12/25
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RESOURCE LIST
*Indicates a Monterey Bay Area Resource
General Therapy
- *Shine a Light Counseling Center – Offers affordable, quality individual, couples, family, and group therapy—including men’s groups—in Santa Cruz, Watsonville, and Monterey.
📞 831-996-1222 - *Family Service Agency (FSA) of the Central Coast – A long-time State of Mind underwriter, FSA offers low-cost and Medi-Cal/Medicare therapy for all ages and backgrounds, including sliding-scale options. Offices in Santa Cruz and Soquel.
📞 Santa Cruz: 831-423-9444 x200 | Soquel: 831-346-6767 x200
Support Groups
- *Monterey Bay Adult Children of Alcoholics and Dysfunctional Families (ACA) – Local meetings and support for individuals from dysfunctional or alcoholic homes.
- Adult Children of Alcoholics World Service Organization – International 12-step recovery program for adult children of alcoholics and dysfunctional families.
📧 information@acawso.com | 📞 310-534-1815
🔗 The Laundry List – 14 Traits of an Adult Child - Al-Anon Family Groups – Support for families and friends of alcoholics. Al-Anon promotes recovery through shared experience and the Twelve Steps.
🔗 Local Meetings – Santa Cruz & San Benito Counties - NorCal CoDA – Resources and online meetings for Codependents Anonymous in Northern California.
- *MENtors – Local programs offering guidance, support, and coaching for boys, men, and fathers to build emotional resilience and healthy relationships.
Joey’s Recommendations
- California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) Counseling & Acupuncture Clinics – Low-cost therapy and acupuncture in San Francisco. Especially useful for those without insurance.
- Wim Hof Method – Breathing Exercises – Tools to support mental and physical resilience.
🔗 Wim Hof Method Website - Podcast: “The Effect of Sauna on Depression and Mood” – Found My Fitness with Rhonda Patrick. Posted August 12, 2020.
🔗 Found My Fitness
Mark’s Recommendations
- I Don’t Want to Talk About It: Overcoming the Secret Legacy of Male Depression by Terrence Real – A foundational book that destigmatizes male depression and promotes emotional healing.
- Altogether You by Jenna Riemersma – Introduces Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy with a faith-based lens, helping readers explore emotional stuck points.
- A Practicum Immanuel by Patricia A. Velotta – A guide to healing trauma through the Immanuel prayer process by Dr. Karl Lehmann.
*Indicates a Monterey Bay Area Resource
