The Dream Journal
The Dream Journal
Spiritual Journeying with Royce Fitts, PhD

Sometimes we have to wander the world to find out what lies in our own soul. Our guest Royce Fitts, D Min used a multi-week solo stravage on the oldest road in Europe as his chance to reflect on his history, on social consciousness, and on spiritual wisdom. Royce starts by defining the word stravage (“strah-vegg”) as an aimless, defiant, and profound wandering which is a spiritual theme in his new book, The Geography of the Soul.

We talk about Royce’s multi-week solo stravage along the Ridgeway National Trail as a metaphor for the spiritual journey that we each are on. Raised on a farm in a small town of western Nebraska, Royce eventually left the conservative religion that he had become a minister of to become a spiritual counselor, a practitioner of dreamwork, and an adherent of process theology.

We take a call from Julie from Denver who shares a dream about butterflies emerging from a globe in the living room of her home which we look at as a story of transformation.

BIO: Royce Fitts is an author, a licensed marriage and family therapist, and a certified dream worker. He holds a doctorate in ministry. His book explores relationships between physical and spiritual landscapes, personal and collective histories, and night-time dreams and how they weave together to reveal and heal the wounds of our lifetime.

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Show aired on November 18, 2023.

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Ambient music is created new every week by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show and to Tony Russomano for answering the phones.


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