The Dream Journal
The Dream Journal
Dreams Healing Shame with Maren Sinclair Hurn

What would the world be like without shame? Today’s guest Santa Cruz sculptor Maren Sinclair Hurn describes a dream in which she sees that her daughter has nails piercing her eyelids. This dream inspired her to create faces that helped her come to terms with her own shame of sexuality.

You can find pictures of her sculpted faces below and on the episode page. You can also visit Maren’s studio at the Tannery on First Friday art nights.

Maren begins by talking about some early dreams including one in which an old woman tells, “You should go to art school!” She has been an sculptor artist every since with art degrees from Cabrillo College, UC Davis and Montana State Univ.

We talk about Carlos Santana and his suicidal shame around sexual molestation and about the difference between guilt and shame.

We take a phone call from Jan from Santa Cruz who shares what she calls “a relieving dream” about calling to a black dog, “Katrina, Katrina, Katrina!” and the dog running joyfully towards her.

BIO: Maren Sinclair Hurn. We came close to losing musician Carlos Santana to suicide because of his unresolved shame around being molested as a child. With witness, he became whole again and shared his story with the world. Understanding her own shame began a few years ago when Maren dreamed of a 5-year-old girl eagerly flashing her eyelids. Each lid had been pierced with a nail. This dream was a disturbing image that she could not ignore and helped her get in touch with shame around her own sexuality. Maren will soon be sharing her sculptures in middle schools where she hopes they will inspire frank discussions around shame.

We play clips from the following two guest-selected songs: Mamuse, Strange and Wonderful and Santana, Oye Como Va.

Ambient music created by Rick Kleffel new every week. Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for engineering the show, to Tony Russomano for answering the phones and to Ewa Malady for audio editing.

Show aired on March 5, 2022.


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