The Dream Journal
The Dream Journal
Dream Sharing as Sacred Story Telling with Andrusa Lawson

Also urban shamanism and setting sacred space. Our guest today is Andrusa Lawson of Divine by Design. Dreams like myths can be regarded as stories that are not true but that say something true. The essence of setting a sacred space being intentional and finding a common sense of meaning. Andrusa recommends enlisting various people in the group to take turns setting the space.

We also speak about non-verbal communication in dreamwork and traditional indigenous oral storytelling. We then speak about the power of urban spirits and dreams of city places.

We take several questions from Max including what specific filters Andrusa uses to keep his dreamtime sacred. We end by speaking about Andrusa’s ideas about karmaless action.

BIO: Andrusa Lawson, Vice president and creative director of Divine by Design, is a dream worker exploring the process of committing the innate wisdom of dreaming into communal memory, the ability of stories to cross cultural barriers, and the unique medicine that oral traditions represent for people whose voices have been historically silenced.

Find our guest at:, and also on FB @divinebydesignteam, IG @divinebydesigninc, Tiktok, YouTube @divinebydesigninc215, and on Patreon at DivinebyDesignINC.

Show aired on August 5, 2023.

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Ambient music is created new every week by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show, to Tony Russomano for answering the phones and to Ewa Malady for audio editing.


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