The Dream Journal
The Natural Dream, a Rodger Kamenetz Replay

Instead of puzzling over the meaning of your dreams, bring them to life with Natural Dreamwork. This show originally aired last Fall. Katherine speaks with poet and author Rodger Kamenetz. He suggests a practice of exploring dreams which starts with counting your blessings. He also spoke about dreams as symbolic in the same way that poems are and about dreaming as a sacred encounter.

We take calls from Kat from Delaware who dreams about a baby with a too long neck and from Maureen who dreams about waiting for her boyfriend by two bridges.

BIO: Rodger Kamenetz is the author of 15 books of poetry and prose. His book The Jew in the Lotus is an international best-seller. He is Professor Emeritus at LSU where he founded the MFA program in creative writing and the Jewish Studies minor. He is the founder of Natural Dreamwork, an international group of twenty dreamwork practitioners who approach the dream as a natural resource for healing and spiritual growth. The History of Last Night’s Dream was featured on Oprah Winfrey’s Soul Series. The Natural Dreamwork approach is to avoid interpretation and focus instead on bringing to life rich moments of feeling in dreams that arise in sacred encounters.

A recent presentation to the Yale Alumni Association gives a good sense of the approach that he’s developed after eighteen years of experience working with dream clients:

Find him at and

Twitter: @Jewinthelotus, Instagram: @rodgerkam, Tiktok: @kamenetz, FaceBook: Rodger.Kamenetz, YouTube:

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Today’s ambient music is created by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show, to Tony Russomano for answering the phones and to Ewa Malady for audio editing.

Show aired on June 24, 2023 rebroadcast from an episode that originally aired November 7, 2022.


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