The Dream Journal
The Dream Journal
Stumbling Toward the Light with Bill Judge

Embracing life’s mysteries. Using shadow exploration, Tai Chi, and dreamwork retired professor Bill Judge is on a personal journey guided by his dreams. Bill describes some highlights of his spiritual journey so far including a trip to Nepal, a sailing trip across the Atlantic, Jungian analysis, and parenting his two adopted children. 

Bill shares a dream which he had leading up to the interview he calls Mountain Joy Ride and other dreams including a series he calls the Seduction Series and the Concrete Wave. He recommends a book called Mindful Dreaming by David Gordon. We speak his views about moving from “role to soul”, from the do-it-all phase of life to a more contemplative phase. We also speak about shadow manifests when we overreact in waking life and about how dreams assist in our ego death which dissolves shadow.

We take a question by Max about his experience in the men’s movement. Bill recommends the work of Robert Bly and, an organization created by Richard Rohr, and mentions his professional book about leadership called The Leader’s Shadow. We take an email question from Charles about using active imagination with dreams and finish by talking about his current spiritual path which involves Tai Chi and what he calls unlearning.

BIO: Bill Judge is a recently retired college professor who is shifting from “role to soul.” This shift has been greatly aided by his dream work. While always a curious adventurer, his current focus is living more in the present moment, exploring his shadow, playing Tai Chi, serving in the men’s movement, and embracing life’s mysteries.

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Show was broadcast live on December 16, 2023.

Intro music is Water over Stones and outro music is Everything both by Mood Science. Ambient music is created new every week by Rick Kleffel. The audio can be found at Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for also engineering the show and to Tony Russomano for answering the phones.


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