The Dream Journal
The Dream Journal
Dreams and Discernment with Chris Thomas

Where have you experienced the presence of God today? Where have you pushed God away? We start off by talking about St. Ignacious and the Examine. Where do we feel consolation in our everyday lives, where do we experience desolation? Chris shares personal examples of opportunities for discernment ranging from letting himself getting too busy to financial issues. Chris shares a dream showing what he describes as the one-two punch in which we feel bad then feel bad about feeling bad.

We speak about spiritual direction which is also known as spiritual companioning. Chris is in training at the Haden Institute offers any listener a free session with him. Please contact either Chris or Katherine about this if you are interested. We also talk about what it means to be a “recovering Catholic” as a gay man who still goes to Mass and how the Church as an institution falls short of the promises of Jesus.

The authors Chris mentions include Robert Johnson, Bob Haden, Richard Rohr and Jim Martin.

Bio. Raised in a traditional Roman Catholic home in Canada, Chris Thomas felt a call to the Catholic priesthood but was led by circumstances to study architectural history and preservation. He is best known for his study of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington. Near the end of his career as a university teacher and researcher, Chris became fascinated with dreams and dreamwork and, in 2009, began to work on his dreams with Bill St Cyr. Since then, Chris has returned to the study of theology and its relationship to what we are shown in dreams. He is currently enrolled in the program in spiritual direction and dreamwork of the Haden Institute of Asheville, NC which trains spiritual directors and dreamworkers committed to seeking the Holy Spirit’s guidance along lines proposed by Carl Jung.

You can contact Chris at

Here is a link to his previous Dream Journal appearance:

Information about Haden Institute can be found at

We play clips from the following two guest-suggested songs: Canadian Sunshine, and St. Louis Jesuits playing Sing, All the World.

Ambient music created by Rick Kleffel new every week. Many thanks to Rick Kleffel for engineering the show and to Tony Russomano for answering the phones.

Show aired on February 5, 2022.


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